"Emily: Something that just came across the wire. Thought you might find it of interest.
Ivanhoe Energy commits up to one million dollars in aid
for flood victims in Ecuador’s Napo Province
QUITO, ECUADOR – (April 15, 2010) –…"
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Trey Grafa replied to Emily Hope Howland's discussion How does SAGD affect local water sources? in the group Tena DiariesTrey Grafa replied to Emily Hope Howland's discussion How does SAGD affect local water sources? in the group Tena Diaries"Emily:
The 65% draw down of the Athabasca river drainage is difficult to compare to this project. There are enormous strip mining projects along with many SAGD projects throughout that area. Strip mining uses more water per barrel of oil produced…"
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How does SAGD affect local water sources?
After reading through the entire EIA in search of the percentage of river flow used in SAGD and the water to oil ratio in SAGD, I did not find any specific numbers. These paragraphs from the EIA make up the core of the impact study on water:4.10.3 Location and treatment of drilling water and production testsAll produced water, sewage water and drilling water will be segregated, stored in tanks or on site, treated, and disposed of at an official site. This will be regulated and monitored by the…See More
Trey Grafa replied to Emily Hope Howland's discussion The news here vs. there in the group Tena Diaries"Clay:
Quoting from the National Energy Board of Canada's Jun 2006 Energy Market Assessment:
"In SAGD operations, 90 to 95 percent of the water used for steam to recover bitumen is reused, but for every cubic metre (6.3 barrels) of…"
Trey Grafa replied to Emily Hope Howland's discussion The news here vs. there in the group Tena Diaries"Clay: I'm covered up right now - so a quick answer.
I want to look into the SAGD water ratio. I would think that the delineation drilling would help define what Ivanhoe estimates to be ratio - their official estimate might be hard to pin down.…"
Clay Gordon replied to Emily Hope Howland's discussion The news here vs. there in the group Tena Diaries"Trey:
I HAVE done the research - and I have been testing the limits of yours and laying the groundwork for a larger example on logical fallacies.
What I have been asking all along in this regard is for you to do some of the work and post the links…"
Trey Grafa replied to Emily Hope Howland's discussion The news here vs. there in the group Tena Diaries"Clay:
Oil is found in 'formations' because it gravitates and collects between solid, non-porous rock structure - other wise it would migrate outside of the specific formations is which it is found. Any steam condensates and collects into…"
Clay Gordon replied to Emily Hope Howland's discussion The news here vs. there in the group Tena Diaries"Trey:
Again you miss my point. I don't think I have ever insisted that, "a trace of produced oil will contaminates the residual oil left in the ground." I don't give a rat's ass about the oil. I am worried about what…"
Trey Grafa replied to Emily Hope Howland's discussion The news here vs. there in the group Tena Diaries"Emily: Go back and review their conference calls. This has been a know fact since the project was first proposed. You are using the term 'sell part of the project'. They are not selling - they are looking for a financial partner to joint…"
Trey Grafa replied to Emily Hope Howland's discussion The news here vs. there in the group Tena Diaries"Clay:
I fail to see why you would be so concerned with the water that is not recovered. The water is trapped in the previous oil bearing sands 1300 feet below the surface. It is not 'contaminated' water - it was only water that was used…"
Clay Gordon replied to Emily Hope Howland's discussion The news here vs. there in the group Tena Diaries"Trey:
I quote from your original reply to this post:
"Also, it might be of interest to you that when the SAGD water is recycled all that means is that it is run through a simple separator (oil being lighter than water), and then fed back into…"
Trey Grafa replied to Emily Hope Howland's discussion The news here vs. there in the group Tena Diaries"Clay:
I have no idea how much water the HTL project will use. Emily says 'huge' and I believe she has a copy if the EIA - I was hoping she had sourced an amount since it has been previously stated that Ivanhoe was going to drain the…"
Emily Hope Howland replied to Emily Hope Howland's discussion The news here vs. there in the group Tena Diaries"My pressing question is: Where did Ivanhoe make a public statement that they are looking to sell part of the project to a Chinese company? When will this happen? How does this change the contract and what are the legal steps Ivanhoe must take to…"
Clay Gordon replied to Emily Hope Howland's discussion The news here vs. there in the group Tena Diaries"Trey -
You are an investor in the company and are actively involved in lobbying the members of this site on their behalf. That's not a bad or "evil" thing in and of itself. But you do have a vested interest in the outcome and this…"
Trey Grafa replied to Emily Hope Howland's discussion The news here vs. there in the group Tena Diaries"Emily:
You stated that the 'SAGD process required in HTL requires huge amounts of water' and then you go on to say the Athabasca river was drained of 65% of its water. Water usage is an issue in the Athabasca region because of the demands…"
"Emily
I have signed the protest and posted it.
If there are archeological artifacts as well as environmental issues this should be getting more attention. However, unlike the Copper episode, Oil is the "Black Gold" for Ecuador and there…"
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